Someone like Akimov would have been aspiring towards Dylatov's position, who in turn would have been aspiring towards Fomin's position. From all the info I've gathered, I don't think anyone could have saved the plant. Wich is kinda obvious, since he was the boss. The recording goes on to state that Anatoly Dyatlov, deputy chief-engineer at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, was sentenced to 10 years in prison for his involvement in the disaster of 1986. He wrote a letter to Toptunov’s parents. Very interesting, thanks for such a quick reply. 'Chernobyl' character Anatoly Dyatlov has been turned into one of the best memes of 2019 thanks to his numerous unbelieveable quotes. So a lot of people end up making excuses for things Dyatlov probably didn't even do in the first place. He was portrayed as a human and humans are fragile creatures. Was there that much smoke from the Chernobyl explosion in real-life? PLEASE SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE TRASH Songs used: Architects - A Match Made In Heaven Motionless In White - Thoughts and Prayers [–]Witty-username4203.6 Roentgen 67 points68 points69 points 4 months ago (7 children). Also, there's later reports that assure he was threatening his co-workers with fire them if they didn't proceed as he wanted. I think one thing is lost here, though. HBO's Chernobyl was a lost opportunity to explore the human beings behind the icons chosen by the USSR to deflect the blame from the real culprits. Reddit; Mail; Embed; Permalink ; ... #chernobyl hbo #paul ritter #anatoly dyatlov #dyat love More you might like. I can still remember the first time I was complimented by an instructor who had this reputation. And i saw the other day a post of someone leaving flowers on his grave. These posts can be: episode discussion, theories, casting announcements, series announcements, criticisms of series, questions, reactions etc. But was he as reckless as the Soviet narrative claimed? He died halfway up the hill. If you're lazy, incompetent, or just didn't perform well, these people made your life a living hell. During the test, a power-failure took place which led to … He was human just like everyone else and he was very knowledgeable of what he was doing. For example: To view the spoiler, simply hover your cursor over the text. Did the people in the control room know about the xenon pit? In Communist times, you rarely needed to threaten anyone. Maybe he was.. but in some reports he was a driven soviet man who wanted results, but tried his hardest to overturn his colleagues convictions. When we went inside, we had this amazing tour guide that spoke about what happened, who the key players were etc. I Actually went and did a tour back in feburary. [–]UtterEast 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children). [–]BookerTheTwit 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago (6 children). Ultimately, how you source media is your business. I also forgot to mention that none of the operators knew about any of the previous nuclear accidents that happened in the soviet union. Again, they don't present any actual evidence, or even claim to have heard particular statements by eyewitnesses. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. I don't think that the way he was portrayed can be interpreted as cowardly in any way. Wich is kinda obvious, since he was the boss. ...but there is no evidence that this actually happened, and several compelling pieces of evidence to the contrary. Interview with Dyatlov during the 90s with english subtitles, [–]Bdtiger95 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (2 children), You got a link for the channel since i cant really read russian or ukranian, [–]ppitm 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (1 child), https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJaeoMrHULFSRL0MYiDqPWg, [–]Bdtiger95 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (0 children), [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago (0 children). The attention to detail in the show is near perfect which makes it absolutely devastating to watch. The other half is part of a three-decade smear campaign, inaugurated by the propaganda machine and scientific community of the USSR. Unique Chernobyl Stickers designed and sold by artists. The "gross violation of safety regulations" and other charges against Dyatlov et. Six former officials and technicians at the Chernobyl power plant were convicted today of causing history's worst nuclear accident and sentenced to terms of up to 10 years in labor camp. Some say he was overbearing, stubborn, and confrontational. Which, in my opinion, were from the ranks of the KGB, then the Gosplan, and therefore ultimately the Politburo. Still, i don't think he's the only one who should take the blame. The operators violated the ORM (operator reactivity margin) by a few rods, but nothing in the documentation suggested that a low ORM could turn AZ-5 into a self destruct-button. [–]DefamedPrawn 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (1 child). The story of the world’s biggest man-made disaster has appealed to both the audience and the critics – the miniseries has been watched by about a million viewers, it has received lots of reviews internationally. My point is, none are named in so many words in the series - apart from USSR's scapegoats. I could go on, but I'm sure others will elaborate. According to Toptunov, Dyatlov not only witnessed the power fall but also—enraged—told him to withdraw more control rods from the reactor to increase power. But to be fair, i don't think the guy was so bastard as the HBO series represents him, and judge him by the character some people made on a TV show would be unfair. Of course, you could (depending on your boss) discuss and negotiate, but the Soviet style of management lent itself to simply not asking questions. So I imagine if Dyatlovs family did they would be pretty disappointed about how he was shown. [–]Panzerkwk40 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (0 children), [–]smoledman 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (2 children), [–]Silverwhite2 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago (1 child), [–]smoledman 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago (0 children). and none of them knew about the design faults of the control rods. I don't see him as the bad guy since I watched the interview and I advise others to see it too. [–]Kashmir33 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (0 children). I totally understand why she’d be upset, but I at least think she’s portrayed as an average soviet. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Reasonable leeway is allowed for talking about things like historical events and nuclear power. Then over 30 years later Stolyarchuk said in an interview that there wasn't any unusual fuss, and it was essentially a normal shift. Chernobyl es una miniserie de televisión de drama histórico creada por Craig Mazin. Ignatenko was also portrayed to scream and writhe in pain but in actual fact he was brave and dealt with it. Plus he did try to clear the names of the engineers who died. No judgment allowed here. Meme submissions must be marked with the "m" link flair, or they may be removed without notice. People like Bryuckhanov, Fomin and Dyatlov were just flawed human beings, doing what they had to do in order to move up in that system. PS this letter was never published anywhere. If Dylatov wanted to do something dangerous and illegal, then you had no real choice: you did it. It is a 5-part dramatization of the events that happened after the catastrophic nuclear accident at the Chernobyl power plant near Pripyat in the north of the Ukrainian USSR. The salient point I got from the series was that a number of people were negligent, but the responsibility ultimately lay with the Soviet system itself, because of its authoritarian nature and total lack of transparency. I wonder if any of his family have seen the show and taken offense to his villainization for the story, since in reality he was apparently much more reasonable. You would have had to have served in the Communist youth at university and afterwards, before getting Party membership. It's one thing to display someone inaccurately, but when that inaccuracy is something important to they way they view a person, then it's very important to them. [–]DrunkenDude123 23 points24 points25 points 4 months ago (2 children), She was portrayed to be very ignorant imo, [–]BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo 12 points13 points14 points 4 months ago (1 child), Yes... but I don’t think she was portrayed as stupid. I do this post because i want to see your opinions. The KGB character says it himself-- "we will have our heroes, we will have our villains, we will have our truth". For example, disabling the ECCS (emergency core cooling system) had nothing to do with the accident, although INSAG7 chastised the operators for "poor safety culture" for running the reactor for many hours with the ECCS disabled before the test commenced. All view-points and opinions are permitted here, within reason. Users are generally free to discuss all events in the show. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Kinda makes you wonder. From Higginbotham's (2019) Midnight in Chernobyl, the Untold Story of the World's Greatest Disaster (emphasis mine) The recollections of others present at the time would be quite different. he did everything by the book, with the information he had and within the guidelines presented by the government, I mean, he was guilty of gross violation to the safety rules. I don't know much about his work relations but I base my opinion on him, from his interview. She never one with asked why anything was dangerous. The following is an excerpt of Midnight in Chernobyl by Adam Higginbotham. A man in a sweater and large glasses (Jared Harris) sits in a Moscow kitchen, listening to his own voice emanating from a clunky cassette player. In 1945, he enrolled in the electrical engineering department of the Norilsk Mining and Metallurgical Technical School and graduated with honors five years later. Dyatlov was also the supervisor in charge of the fatal safety test which caused the 1987 Chernobyl disaster. Get up to 50% off. Anatoly Dyatlov (Анатолий Дятлов) is a character in the 2019 HBO mini-series Chernobyl based on the actual deputy chief-engineer of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. They weren't getting those positions by arguing and contradicting the boss, especially in front of others. You also have to remember Dyatlov was a product of, and constrained by the fundamentally broken Soviet bureaucracy. [–]Szudar 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children), He lived with wife and had adult daughter when he wrote his book in early 1990s, [–]cold_reptile 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children), I bet they were on the toilet as well as him that time, so they cannot answer this question, unfortunately... #kappa, [–]Soupcon_ 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children). What no one seems to have any grasp of is what the actual decisions were, and why they were irresponsible, or not. 4 at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant when it exploded six years ago yesterday. The direct discussion of illicit means of viewing and acquisition, as well as the sharing of TV shows and extra content, is forbidden. So my opinion is that the serie certainly painted him bad, because it makes a better show and its more emotional. Its interesting though every documentary prior to this his character is portrayed as an A-hole. It is possible that alot of Chernobyl survivors have seen the TV series and didn't agree with it.. same goes for Dyatolv's family. It’s April 26, 1988, at 2 AM. [–]otakudude3031 14 points15 points16 points 4 months ago (1 child). were mostly a Soviet red herring to scapegoat Dyatlov and others. On April 5, 1986 scheduled maintenance work was scheduled for the fourth power unit of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. That's supposedly what the real Dyatlov was like. Same goes with Voices of Chernobyl. Even the official ChNPP tour guides will give you a detailed account about how Dyatlov overrode his subordinates' concerns about the test. By the way, it's your fault when it breaks. I really dislike that sentence. Where one is expected to install a glass screw into a sheet of glass, using a 12lb sledgehammer. [–]smishNelson 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (4 children). [–]Kashmir33 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (2 children). He was a villain in the piece, but not THE villain. As to operating the reactor below 700 MW, there was nothing in the documentation that prohibited this. HBO's Chernobyl was a lost opportunity to explore the human beings behind the icons chosen by the USSR to deflect the blame from the real culprits. Moreover, the experiment pretty much necessitated this, and let's not forget that the reactor blew up pretty much exactly in the circumstances that the automatic shutdown would have gone into action anyway. No sexism, racism, discriminatory remarks, or excessive vulgarity. A… Then, in March, HBO premiered the miniseries Chernobyl, which chronicled the aftermath of the disaster, and the subreddit changed drastically. Dyatlov bore responsibility. Or others if you will, whatever. On the other hand, if you did a good job and/or liked the challenge, you might feel that someone like this helped you become better than you were before. You can’t blame him for the mistakes the soviets made, he may have been reckless but he didn’t know the consequences. Because no one who actually witnessed the events ever reported this, and to the contrary, denied it ever happening. After three years working in Norilsk, he was admitted in Moscow Engineering Physics Institute where he received an engineer-physicist degree with a sp… [–]ppitm 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago* (3 children). Rendered by PID 1398 on r2-app-04687c972eecb1d65 at 2021-01-01 01:09:03.434719+00:00 running c709bd6 country code: US. and join one of thousands of communities. It's perfectly normal that Lyudmilla is upset about the way her husband was portrayed, because any portrayal is partly inaccurate and the tragic death of her husband surely makes it feel very personal to her. If you want to discuss something without getting spoiled, add the "no spoilers" flair to your submission, then users will not be allowed to openly spoil in that thread. HBO’s “Chernobyl” miniseries became a true success for its creators. Tregub said this in a letter to Dyatlov, while the other two testified at the trial. What is important is WOULD SOMEONE ELSE DO BETTER IN HIS PLACE? She didn't outright say it, but it did seem like she inferred he was vilified to be the fall guy. The reactor was in the xenon pit before they removed the control rods, correct? What is the cost of memes? So if he was anything like that bitter, unpleasant man portrayed in the series, I honestly can't blame him. Decorate your laptops, water bottles, helmets, and cars. But if we look at history itself, I've searched on many sources and all agree in one part: every decision approved and taked that night, went through Dyatlov. To hide a spoiler in the comments of such a thread, use: Add the scope of the spoiler in the brackets. I mean, if you make a territory where you are the big boss and everyone have to be afraid or they're fired, maybe you wouldn't hear a second opinion of something. I heard their reaction was not great, but not terrible. Which, in my opinion, were from the ranks of the KGB, then the Gosplan, and therefore ultimately the Politburo. It's possible that he effectively didn't have any family. It should be noted that there's not so much disagreements around HBO's Bryukhanov lack of depth and complexity. 40.5k Members You did what you were told, consequences be damned. She doesn’t know what would happen because they don’t teach people, not because she’s selfish or dumb, [–]wins_stupid_prizes 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children). The test wasn't just him, Briuhkanov and other higher ups were really pushing on him for it as the test had been repeatedly delayed or failed for quite a while (6 months if I remember correctly). Finally Uskov (who wasn't there) wrote somewhat tellingly that 'there were practically no protests'. And I think i would do other things if i was in front of his grave. So he may not have had any siblings he was in contact with. While Dyatlov is portrayed as a man to be hated, in reality he wasn’t such a delusional person. I just now watched the first episode of Chernobyl. I read somewhere else (can't re find the url) that his wife died in childbirth, and his only son died of leukaemia. This is explicitly stated in INSAG7. I'm reading a new book about Chernobyl just now (), and in reality he did see graphite, and many other did as well, but everyone was like "lalala this is not happening the reactor can't explode".There was also a pile of graphite stored nearby to be used for the construction of Block 5. As far as I know, he did everything by the book, with the information he had and within the guidelines presented by the government. Having the ECCS online could not have prevented the reactor from exploding, nor could it have helped mitigate the situation after the explosion, there was no core to cool down anymore. The govt story blamed Leonid (only 25) and Akimov, saying they were incompetent and reckless. So I'm not a"Dyatlov bad bc HBO says" type, don't take me wrong. The statements of eyewitnesses. and several compelling pieces of evidence to the contrary. White or transparent. So i wouldn't say that the guy went "by the book", New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Just about everyone has encountered a boss or teacher like this. Am not a nuclear power plant expert, but in all job, you do with what information, equipment, procedures and training you have. [–]ppitm 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago (1 child). You would have had to have had a good school record, including service in the young pioneers. Later reports, indeed. When she realized he wasn't at the treeline, she insisted on going back to look for him. Listen to his conversation on Science Friday here. It is understandable that the show made him out to be the douche that was irresponsible, since it is fictional, they cut off some scenes that would humanize him so that he would seem like a bigger monster. Not that it was ever used, obviously, but for a while everyone thought that the graphite chunks were from there. But you have to balance it against other informed non-eyewitnesses who seem convinced that there was some sort of reluctance. Watch Queue Queue This would have made the explosion occur 36 seconds earlier, that's all. This was done to protect the designers of the reactor and by extension the reputation of the Soviet nuclear industry. [–]ClemDev 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago (0 children). At that time, it was supposed to carry out a run-down of the rotor of the turbogenerator, according to which the kinetic energy of the turbogenerator, in the event of its disconnection, was to provide energy to the pumps for cooling the reactor. al. They're the ones who expect 110% out of everyone and don't suffer fools, mistakes, or incompetence. In the book it gives you a different and much more realistic view of Dyatlov. Like Nikolai Karpan or one of the people who interviewed people in the hospital. Opinions and view-points that are different from your own will be present, so please be civil to your fellow Redditor. Chernobyl: Brave men and women act heroically to mitigate catastrophic damage when the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant suffers a nuclear accident on April 26, 1986. After watching the show I decided to read the book Chernobyl: The History of a Nuclear Disaster, which I would highly recommend to everyone. Make an effort to be tasteful and funny. TV shows especially history ones always alter them in some sense to make them more interesting and there always is a bully.. in this case it's Dyatlov and should always be taken with a pinch of salt. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. That moment someone says something so stupid that it actually makes you squint. Best Alternate Ending for Season 8. The events of HBO's Chernobyl are rooted in the historic 1986 disaster, in which a Soviet nuclear reactor exploded, contaminated the surrounding … Lyudmilla was shown very positively wasn’t she? Remember that only half of the demonization in the miniseries is the creative invention of Craig Mazin (clearly channeling all his bad bosses from previous jobs). I agree with ppitm, the Dyatlov you see in the miniseries is a composite caricature of stereotypical "bad bosses". Also, there's later reports that assure he was threatening his co-workers with fire them if they didn't proceed as he wanted. Dyatlov was in a serious relationship with Zinaida (one of the few possessions found on his body was a picture of her). use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Chernobyl, a five-part miniseries co-production from HBO and Sky, dramatizes the story of the 1986 nuclear accident, one of the worst man-made catastrophes in history — and of the sacrifices made to save Europe from unimaginable disaster. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Her husband Ignatenko was also portrayed to scream and writhe in pain but in actual fact he was brave and dealt with it, [–]mizushima-yuki 8 points9 points10 points 4 months ago (1 child). Only posts pertaining to HBO's Chernobyl will be allowed here. Actual prison was rather more offensive, I'm sure. A subreddit to discuss and research Chernobyl Disaster that happened on the night of April 26, 1986. Am certain that he certainly didnt save the day, and to some extend failed, but if he failed, someone else in his position would have most likely too. The show was altered to show him to be cruel, demanding and unkind. It is possible that alot of Chernobyl survivors have seen the TV series and didn't agree with it.. same goes for Dyatolv's family. [–]HazMatsManFirefighter and Hazardous Materials Technician 54 points55 points56 points 4 months ago (2 children). But if we look at history itself, I've searched on many sources and all agree in one part: every decision approved and taked that night, went through Dyatlov. Criticisms for these shows are allowed, and will cause amazing conversations. It was perfectly understood what would happen if you didn't do what you were told: your career would be over. So basically there is very compelling evidence. The ORM limit of 15 rods was to prevent the core from falling into a Xenon pit: When lowering power, 135Xe-levels will initially build up and the ORM needs to be high enough to be able to compensate for this, otherwise the reactor will stall, causing unnecessary downtime. The other half is part of a three-decade smear campaign, inaugurated by the propaganda machine and scientific community of the USSR. It's a different culture. Anatoly Dyatlov was the Deputy Chief Engineer at Chernobyl on April 26, 1986, and was convicted for its catastrophic meltdown. Well I think its easy to see him as a villain, but sometimes you play with the cards that you were dealt with. From there, your continued climb in your career would have depended on making sure not to upset your "patron", which was someone higher than you that was looking after your career. Personally, I agree with the second one. The Chernobyl disaster was a nuclear accident that occurred on 26 April 1986, at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.There had been 160 personnel on duty in the two power plant complexes during the night of 25 to 26 April, including technicians and maintenance personnel of the various departments. Continuing of such comments after warnings will result in permanent bans. No reposting of news, or superfluous discussion threads. [The show tops the IMDB TV top-250 – Ed.]. Maybe he was.. but in some reports he was a driven soviet man who wanted results, but tried his hardest to overturn his colleagues convictions. Do we have a button that gives 3.6 upvotes? Reading “Midnight at Chernobyl” softened my view of him somewhat. [–]Value-AddedTax 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago (0 children), [–]jwojnar49 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children). Up in the Unit Four control room, everyone was talking at once, as Deputy Chief Engineer Anatoly Dyatlov struggled to understand what the instruments were saying. He was nowhere near the horrible person they made him out to be in the show and it really villainizes him. During such work, various experiments on equipment are usually carried out. Chernobyl, HBO’s gutting five-part miniseries about the 1986 nuclear disaster, has quietly grown in popularity in the aftermath of Game Of Thrones ’ divisive final episode. Others said he was demanding, but honest, principled, and devoted. She was pretty dumb in the show. Gazin, Tregub and Metlenko all said that there were no loud arguments, no recriminations over the drop in power or threats over raising it again. And does one need to ignore horrifying pain to be considered 'brave'? 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